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	<description>Respect Your Food.</description>
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		<title>By: Marissa</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/20/am-i-a-food-elitist-are-you/#comment-23885</link>
		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, thank you

I am possibly honest to a fault at times :-)

I am not sure if others take issue with this as well, but I find it aggravating when someone proclaims:
 "oh, you are being so good!"

when I order something healthy or without grains...I do not think that my food choices are "virtuous" it is just about health. 

When we equate virtue or vice with food we attach emotions to it, and that can lead you down the path to an eating disorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, thank you</p>
<p>I am possibly honest to a fault at times <img src='http://www.modernforager.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am not sure if others take issue with this as well, but I find it aggravating when someone proclaims:<br />
 &#8220;oh, you are being so good!&#8221;</p>
<p>when I order something healthy or without grains&#8230;I do not think that my food choices are &#8220;virtuous&#8221; it is just about health. </p>
<p>When we equate virtue or vice with food we attach emotions to it, and that can lead you down the path to an eating disorder.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/20/am-i-a-food-elitist-are-you/#comment-22991</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marissa, 

I really appreciate your honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marissa, </p>
<p>I really appreciate your honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Marissa</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/20/am-i-a-food-elitist-are-you/#comment-22844</link>
		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the bad kind of elitist...and I don't want to be. Honestly I think it comes from a new eating disorder called "orthorexia"...which is basically a disorder where people feel that they must eat "healthy" food to keep themselves "pure", and any morsel that is not "healthy" in their mind becomes an evil and contaminates their bodies...sort of an OCD related thing.

Anyway, I have lost over 120lbs in the past 2 years following a modified version of a nutritional plan I read about in the book "Eat to Live". It is extremely low fat though, and so I modified it by adding in virgin coconut oil...anyway...I find it very difficult to consume foods not in my "nutritional plan" because I feel guilty and think I will put ALL the weight back on. I know logically that one meal, or even a 2 week vacation from my "plan" will not put 120lbs back on, but it is hard to "let" myself stray. I want to believe that I can do things in moderation, but it is difficult to get there...so I have become a food elitist. I am well aware that it is rude, but I honestly do not know how to stop myself. I am working on it though. 

I have only just started reading your blog, but thus far I am a fan. I do not believe that grains are inherently bad, but I do believe the less processed the better, and that moderation is key.  Right now I do not even consume 1 serving of grains a day, but once I hit my "goal size" (which is to say where I feel comfortable) I will add grains back in moderation, and cut back if I feel that I have started to put on fat.

anyway, I am going to continue to read your blog, I hope you can teach me to be less stringent so I can enjoy eating with friends again. I have sadly become a stick in the mud!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the bad kind of elitist&#8230;and I don&#8217;t want to be. Honestly I think it comes from a new eating disorder called &#8220;orthorexia&#8221;&#8230;which is basically a disorder where people feel that they must eat &#8220;healthy&#8221; food to keep themselves &#8220;pure&#8221;, and any morsel that is not &#8220;healthy&#8221; in their mind becomes an evil and contaminates their bodies&#8230;sort of an OCD related thing.</p>
<p>Anyway, I have lost over 120lbs in the past 2 years following a modified version of a nutritional plan I read about in the book &#8220;Eat to Live&#8221;. It is extremely low fat though, and so I modified it by adding in virgin coconut oil&#8230;anyway&#8230;I find it very difficult to consume foods not in my &#8220;nutritional plan&#8221; because I feel guilty and think I will put ALL the weight back on. I know logically that one meal, or even a 2 week vacation from my &#8220;plan&#8221; will not put 120lbs back on, but it is hard to &#8220;let&#8221; myself stray. I want to believe that I can do things in moderation, but it is difficult to get there&#8230;so I have become a food elitist. I am well aware that it is rude, but I honestly do not know how to stop myself. I am working on it though. </p>
<p>I have only just started reading your blog, but thus far I am a fan. I do not believe that grains are inherently bad, but I do believe the less processed the better, and that moderation is key.  Right now I do not even consume 1 serving of grains a day, but once I hit my &#8220;goal size&#8221; (which is to say where I feel comfortable) I will add grains back in moderation, and cut back if I feel that I have started to put on fat.</p>
<p>anyway, I am going to continue to read your blog, I hope you can teach me to be less stringent so I can enjoy eating with friends again. I have sadly become a stick in the mud!!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kustes</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/20/am-i-a-food-elitist-are-you/#comment-16802</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kustes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, part of accepting or rejecting also depends on the type of food fest it is.  A big party with a buffet, you can avoid most anything cause most people aren't watching what you take.  An intimate gathering of 4 or 5 requires more tact.  And thanks for the kudos on the FS report.

Sarena and Anna, there are certainly situations and health histories that give a darn good reason for rejecting certain foods.  But as you've both shown (and as I tried to show in my post), you can reject most anything without coming across as "I'm too good for that," which it sounds like you both do.  It's more the attitude than the actual eating of the food.

Scott, just keep plugging away.  Sounds like you're on the right track and change doesn't have to happen overnight.  

I tend to gauge the receptiveness of my audience.  For instance, dinner at my friend's on Monday entailed a discussion into properly raised meats and raw milk (even though they drink skim).  They are open-minded enough and interested enough in health to want to know more.  And they brought it up and kept asking questions.  

What I really wanted to get across is both accepting and rejecting food with grace and humility rather than an attitude.  I typically don't eat the snacks when watching a game at a friend's house because it's typically a bag of chips or something else requiring no investment of time.  I have a harder time when someone (like mom or a friend) cooks dinner for me.  But we also shouldn't feel obligated to sabotage our health to please others, like gorging on pasta, bread, and ice cream.  

Cheers
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, part of accepting or rejecting also depends on the type of food fest it is.  A big party with a buffet, you can avoid most anything cause most people aren&#8217;t watching what you take.  An intimate gathering of 4 or 5 requires more tact.  And thanks for the kudos on the FS report.</p>
<p>Sarena and Anna, there are certainly situations and health histories that give a darn good reason for rejecting certain foods.  But as you&#8217;ve both shown (and as I tried to show in my post), you can reject most anything without coming across as &#8220;I&#8217;m too good for that,&#8221; which it sounds like you both do.  It&#8217;s more the attitude than the actual eating of the food.</p>
<p>Scott, just keep plugging away.  Sounds like you&#8217;re on the right track and change doesn&#8217;t have to happen overnight.  </p>
<p>I tend to gauge the receptiveness of my audience.  For instance, dinner at my friend&#8217;s on Monday entailed a discussion into properly raised meats and raw milk (even though they drink skim).  They are open-minded enough and interested enough in health to want to know more.  And they brought it up and kept asking questions.  </p>
<p>What I really wanted to get across is both accepting and rejecting food with grace and humility rather than an attitude.  I typically don&#8217;t eat the snacks when watching a game at a friend&#8217;s house because it&#8217;s typically a bag of chips or something else requiring no investment of time.  I have a harder time when someone (like mom or a friend) cooks dinner for me.  But we also shouldn&#8217;t feel obligated to sabotage our health to please others, like gorging on pasta, bread, and ice cream.  </p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: ScottH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post as usual, Scott!  You are an example to us all.  Its very difficult to restrain myself sometimes around others, and I certainly would never reject a home-cooked meal off-handedly.  I find the greatest difficulty to be with my own family.  I'm the head cook, so they have gradually been acclimated to paleo-based meals, but they all get their carbs in at snack times.  I've finally realized that they do understand my point of view and I refrain from lecturing.  I fully accept that I set the stage due to 15-20 years of listening to the "authoritative" dietary recommendations, and my carb-loving wife and kids were conditioned by many years consumption of my home-baked bread, pasta, and other baked goods.  I'm patient and just hope that they'll gradually see the light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post as usual, Scott!  You are an example to us all.  Its very difficult to restrain myself sometimes around others, and I certainly would never reject a home-cooked meal off-handedly.  I find the greatest difficulty to be with my own family.  I&#8217;m the head cook, so they have gradually been acclimated to paleo-based meals, but they all get their carbs in at snack times.  I&#8217;ve finally realized that they do understand my point of view and I refrain from lecturing.  I fully accept that I set the stage due to 15-20 years of listening to the &#8220;authoritative&#8221; dietary recommendations, and my carb-loving wife and kids were conditioned by many years consumption of my home-baked bread, pasta, and other baked goods.  I&#8217;m patient and just hope that they&#8217;ll gradually see the light.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't it ironic that people can proudly proclaim themselves "junkfood junkies" but those who hold to higher foods standards are called "elitist", in the negative sense of the word?  Elite is one of those double-bladed words.
  
That said, I try to handle it much like you do, though I am more upfront about why I have to decline on the sugary or starchy foods.  If an explanation of why I'm not having something seems needed, I try to stick to a simple, one sentence explanation that I avoid concentrated sugars/starches a restricted because of a pre-diabetic blood sugar issue, prefaced by a compliment on how nice it looks or smells, etc.  Often nothing needs to be said, though.  I generally don't say anything about the source of the meat, dairy, etc., since like you say, it isn't a big deal in the larger scheme of things.

But if I do mention the carb restriction, that often opens up a discussion about food in general, and sometimes my alternatives to factory farmed foods do enter into a conversation.   Generally, most of my friends are good cooks and while they don't choose everything as I do, they like to talk about food.  And friends I dine with generally already know not to pass the bread to me :-).

Visiting relatives in the Midwest is always the most challenging for me, diet-wise and conversation-wise.  A couple years ago I learned I have an uncle and cousin  (my age) now diagnosed with T2 diabetes, who were told by their health care professional to eat lots of complex carbohydrates and restrict fat and protein (actually, these family gatherings are the best way to learn about what conditions are running in the family, which is important).  So much for no family history of diabetes - we are developing it at the same time, I guess.  It's much harder to stay quiet in these situations and I often don't stay completely silent, especially on the sugar/starch/diabetes issues.  At those large, infrequent family gatherings that usually last a long weekend, usually little of the food is really home-prepared (banquet sized frozen lasagna trays from the supermarket, canned "baked" beans with lots of extra brown sugar added at home, etc.).  Most of them are empty-nesters now who prefer not to cook.  It's a bit of a minefield for a few days among all my relatives (most of whom don't fit the stereotypical overweight Midwesterners, but do take statins, avoid fat because it causes gall bladder attacks from years of low fat eating, and have pantries full of AHA approved "heart healthy" processed grain products).  There is so little to forage from when I stay with relatives that I now stop at TJs for a bag of staple items on the way from the airport to make sure I'll have something to eat, because they load sugar into everything, even the meat sauces.   And the vegetable tray or salads are too skimpy to rely on those.  I fall back on making sure I making something "for my contribution to the meal" without labeling it LC, etc.  My son gorges himself on Captain Crunch cereal just like I did when I visited my grandmother's house, then complains it makes him feel awful, but I keep my mouth shut about that and suggest oatmeal to him (of course, they have instant only).  If I just went along and ate what was there, I would run diabetic-level blood glucose levels the whole time, and I won't do that.  I don't say anything against the food, and I'll even take small tastes of things I ordinarily wouldn't eat (like sugary BBQ pulled beef) to be polite and fit in, but I don't make a pretense that I can eat all that sugary-starchy stuff without consequence, either.  I don't know know if showing up with some of my own provisions is offensive to my relatives, but I don't expect them to cater to my needs, either.  And I would never get into paleo/pasture/factory farm issues with them for all sorts of reasons.  I did have an interesting conversation about raw dairy with an uncle though, who would never drink raw milk now, though he grew up on raw milk and a dairy farm.  Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it ironic that people can proudly proclaim themselves &#8220;junkfood junkies&#8221; but those who hold to higher foods standards are called &#8220;elitist&#8221;, in the negative sense of the word?  Elite is one of those double-bladed words.</p>
<p>That said, I try to handle it much like you do, though I am more upfront about why I have to decline on the sugary or starchy foods.  If an explanation of why I&#8217;m not having something seems needed, I try to stick to a simple, one sentence explanation that I avoid concentrated sugars/starches a restricted because of a pre-diabetic blood sugar issue, prefaced by a compliment on how nice it looks or smells, etc.  Often nothing needs to be said, though.  I generally don&#8217;t say anything about the source of the meat, dairy, etc., since like you say, it isn&#8217;t a big deal in the larger scheme of things.</p>
<p>But if I do mention the carb restriction, that often opens up a discussion about food in general, and sometimes my alternatives to factory farmed foods do enter into a conversation.   Generally, most of my friends are good cooks and while they don&#8217;t choose everything as I do, they like to talk about food.  And friends I dine with generally already know not to pass the bread to me :-).</p>
<p>Visiting relatives in the Midwest is always the most challenging for me, diet-wise and conversation-wise.  A couple years ago I learned I have an uncle and cousin  (my age) now diagnosed with T2 diabetes, who were told by their health care professional to eat lots of complex carbohydrates and restrict fat and protein (actually, these family gatherings are the best way to learn about what conditions are running in the family, which is important).  So much for no family history of diabetes - we are developing it at the same time, I guess.  It&#8217;s much harder to stay quiet in these situations and I often don&#8217;t stay completely silent, especially on the sugar/starch/diabetes issues.  At those large, infrequent family gatherings that usually last a long weekend, usually little of the food is really home-prepared (banquet sized frozen lasagna trays from the supermarket, canned &#8220;baked&#8221; beans with lots of extra brown sugar added at home, etc.).  Most of them are empty-nesters now who prefer not to cook.  It&#8217;s a bit of a minefield for a few days among all my relatives (most of whom don&#8217;t fit the stereotypical overweight Midwesterners, but do take statins, avoid fat because it causes gall bladder attacks from years of low fat eating, and have pantries full of AHA approved &#8220;heart healthy&#8221; processed grain products).  There is so little to forage from when I stay with relatives that I now stop at TJs for a bag of staple items on the way from the airport to make sure I&#8217;ll have something to eat, because they load sugar into everything, even the meat sauces.   And the vegetable tray or salads are too skimpy to rely on those.  I fall back on making sure I making something &#8220;for my contribution to the meal&#8221; without labeling it LC, etc.  My son gorges himself on Captain Crunch cereal just like I did when I visited my grandmother&#8217;s house, then complains it makes him feel awful, but I keep my mouth shut about that and suggest oatmeal to him (of course, they have instant only).  If I just went along and ate what was there, I would run diabetic-level blood glucose levels the whole time, and I won&#8217;t do that.  I don&#8217;t say anything against the food, and I&#8217;ll even take small tastes of things I ordinarily wouldn&#8217;t eat (like sugary BBQ pulled beef) to be polite and fit in, but I don&#8217;t make a pretense that I can eat all that sugary-starchy stuff without consequence, either.  I don&#8217;t know know if showing up with some of my own provisions is offensive to my relatives, but I don&#8217;t expect them to cater to my needs, either.  And I would never get into paleo/pasture/factory farm issues with them for all sorts of reasons.  I did have an interesting conversation about raw dairy with an uncle though, who would never drink raw milk now, though he grew up on raw milk and a dairy farm.  Go figure.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sarena</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally I do restrict myself to other's cooking, food at the expense of being a food elitist. Am I wrong? Perhaps! But then again I once had diabetes and cancer so i have been eating differently for so many years (when I was formerly obese) that most that know me are accustomed to my quirkiness!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally I do restrict myself to other&#8217;s cooking, food at the expense of being a food elitist. Am I wrong? Perhaps! But then again I once had diabetes and cancer so i have been eating differently for so many years (when I was formerly obese) that most that know me are accustomed to my quirkiness!!</p>
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		<title>By: DaveC - DaveGetsFit</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveC - DaveGetsFit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked the part about showing appreciation for the effort of your friend's fiancee.  I'm going to have a situation coming up in a month or so where I know someone is going to present me with some very non-paleo food (it's a long story), and I was planning on saying no thanks!  But this is going to be a very similar situation and your post has me thinking I need to change my plan.  So 70 days of "no cheating" ain't quite as good as 90 days, but that's ok!

BTW, I just read the pdf from the Fitness Spotlight.  You and Mike have done a great job!  I hope the PDF gets some wide exposure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked the part about showing appreciation for the effort of your friend&#8217;s fiancee.  I&#8217;m going to have a situation coming up in a month or so where I know someone is going to present me with some very non-paleo food (it&#8217;s a long story), and I was planning on saying no thanks!  But this is going to be a very similar situation and your post has me thinking I need to change my plan.  So 70 days of &#8220;no cheating&#8221; ain&#8217;t quite as good as 90 days, but that&#8217;s ok!</p>
<p>BTW, I just read the pdf from the Fitness Spotlight.  You and Mike have done a great job!  I hope the PDF gets some wide exposure!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kustes</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/20/am-i-a-food-elitist-are-you/#comment-16238</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kustes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemur,
I usually stay quiet unless my opinion is specifically asked for.  Most people don't see me opening my mouth as advice but as an attack.  Nutrition is up there with religion and politics of things that people get very passionate about, myself included.  Course, there are also the people that think it's an attack on them if you turn down the bread at the dinner table.  Those people have issues of security in themselves though.

You're right about logic.  That's the screen that we should all be viewing our information through, but unfortunately emotion tends to drive the human beast far more often.

Cheers
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemur,<br />
I usually stay quiet unless my opinion is specifically asked for.  Most people don&#8217;t see me opening my mouth as advice but as an attack.  Nutrition is up there with religion and politics of things that people get very passionate about, myself included.  Course, there are also the people that think it&#8217;s an attack on them if you turn down the bread at the dinner table.  Those people have issues of security in themselves though.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about logic.  That&#8217;s the screen that we should all be viewing our information through, but unfortunately emotion tends to drive the human beast far more often.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Scott</p>
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