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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Scott Kustes</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/16/what-is-the-proper-portion-size-for-paleo-eating/#comment-16233</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kustes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice catch Erik.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice catch Erik.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/16/what-is-the-proper-portion-size-for-paleo-eating/#comment-14472</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm one of the "wingers"
It drove me crazy trying to figure out blocks and ratios etc etc.
GREAT post Scott.

Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the &#8220;wingers&#8221;<br />
It drove me crazy trying to figure out blocks and ratios etc etc.<br />
GREAT post Scott.</p>
<p>Marc</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/16/what-is-the-proper-portion-size-for-paleo-eating/#comment-13676</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note: If you check the comments on Peter's post, you'll see that the rats were actually fed with MCT, not with coconut oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note: If you check the comments on Peter&#8217;s post, you&#8217;ll see that the rats were actually fed with MCT, not with coconut oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/16/what-is-the-proper-portion-size-for-paleo-eating/#comment-12551</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 04:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love it if I could eat Paleo or low carb freely, but, alas, I have learned over the course of several years of trying every combination of macronutrients and portions and exercise, etc. that my body will make fat out of any spare nutrients of any sort. 

As much as I have tried to convince myself that if I just got the fractions right it will all fall into place...Eades, Sisson, DeVaney, read and followed them all extensively...I have finally had to admit that for me, portion control must be the first consideration. Low carb and Paleo help with that, but feeling a little hunger most of the time is what I have learned to live with. The more I eat of anything the more my body decides it wants and a literal feedback loop ensues. I've also learned that mentally I do best on low/moderate calories and physically I have much more energy for normal activities of daily living. Furthermore, I sleep best if I go to bed hungry. 

Yes, I do throw portion control to the wind at times, and low carb helps with recovery from that, too. So maybe it is a power law thing, but very, very few of the spikes.

I have learned to be aware of how much energy I am expending from hiking or whatever and increase calories carefully as needed. So in the end, I guess I listen to my body as well. It is just telling me different things. Things I have not wanted to hear, but have finally accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love it if I could eat Paleo or low carb freely, but, alas, I have learned over the course of several years of trying every combination of macronutrients and portions and exercise, etc. that my body will make fat out of any spare nutrients of any sort. </p>
<p>As much as I have tried to convince myself that if I just got the fractions right it will all fall into place&#8230;Eades, Sisson, DeVaney, read and followed them all extensively&#8230;I have finally had to admit that for me, portion control must be the first consideration. Low carb and Paleo help with that, but feeling a little hunger most of the time is what I have learned to live with. The more I eat of anything the more my body decides it wants and a literal feedback loop ensues. I&#8217;ve also learned that mentally I do best on low/moderate calories and physically I have much more energy for normal activities of daily living. Furthermore, I sleep best if I go to bed hungry. </p>
<p>Yes, I do throw portion control to the wind at times, and low carb helps with recovery from that, too. So maybe it is a power law thing, but very, very few of the spikes.</p>
<p>I have learned to be aware of how much energy I am expending from hiking or whatever and increase calories carefully as needed. So in the end, I guess I listen to my body as well. It is just telling me different things. Things I have not wanted to hear, but have finally accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kustes</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/16/what-is-the-proper-portion-size-for-paleo-eating/#comment-12296</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kustes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry...that was sarcasm.  Apparently it didn't come through very well on comments.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry&#8230;that was sarcasm.  Apparently it didn&#8217;t come through very well on comments.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Varangy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Varangy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott

My mistake.  I thought when you wrote "Very interesting stuff…amazing I’m not dead with my 21% saturated fat yesterday." that you thought it bad.  

Anyhow, great blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott</p>
<p>My mistake.  I thought when you wrote &#8220;Very interesting stuff…amazing I’m not dead with my 21% saturated fat yesterday.&#8221; that you thought it bad.  </p>
<p>Anyhow, great blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kustes</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/16/what-is-the-proper-portion-size-for-paleo-eating/#comment-12294</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kustes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi, I don't find that it really affects me anymore than eating most anything else.  I also generally eat that "meal" over the course of an hour to 90 minutes, so it's not like I'm at a buffet just going back for plate after plate for 30 minutes.  And even if it does make me sluggish, I'm just a short while away from going to bed anyway.  I don't eat like that in the middle of the day.

Jay, thanks!  I'm actually going to do a much more in-depth post of my thoughts on The Zone here soon.  Some won't like it, but what's life without a little controversy, right?  :-D

Logrythmic, I'm interested in knowing more about how you layout your power law eating.  I'm assuming you picked that up from Mr. DeVany?  Can you post (or email me through the contact form) a sample of a day or few days of eating?  I actually don't eat much fruit...perhaps an apple or some pineapple or some other sort of "serving" once a day.  Tubers are probably 3 a week, though it should be noted that groups like the Bushmen survive very well on a very starchy diet.  

Varangy, I'm not sure what you mean by "You may want to re-think your stance on saturated fat."  Are you saying that I should view it as harmful or not?  I'm confused because the links you posted seem to say saturated fat isn't so bad, which is exactly the stance that I hold.  Shoot, yesterday I ate nearly 100g of the stuff, mainly from a can of coconut milk.  My cooking is all done in palm oil, coconut oil, tallow, or lard.  As for Peter's discussion of coconut oil, I can't argue with him as I haven't done any research into coconut oil's effects on glucose and insulin.  Considering that I find all of his work to be top-notch, I have no reason to doubt him, but on the other hand, I'm also not trying to lose weight.

Cheers all
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi, I don&#8217;t find that it really affects me anymore than eating most anything else.  I also generally eat that &#8220;meal&#8221; over the course of an hour to 90 minutes, so it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m at a buffet just going back for plate after plate for 30 minutes.  And even if it does make me sluggish, I&#8217;m just a short while away from going to bed anyway.  I don&#8217;t eat like that in the middle of the day.</p>
<p>Jay, thanks!  I&#8217;m actually going to do a much more in-depth post of my thoughts on The Zone here soon.  Some won&#8217;t like it, but what&#8217;s life without a little controversy, right?  <img src='http://www.modernforager.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Logrythmic, I&#8217;m interested in knowing more about how you layout your power law eating.  I&#8217;m assuming you picked that up from Mr. DeVany?  Can you post (or email me through the contact form) a sample of a day or few days of eating?  I actually don&#8217;t eat much fruit&#8230;perhaps an apple or some pineapple or some other sort of &#8220;serving&#8221; once a day.  Tubers are probably 3 a week, though it should be noted that groups like the Bushmen survive very well on a very starchy diet.  </p>
<p>Varangy, I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;You may want to re-think your stance on saturated fat.&#8221;  Are you saying that I should view it as harmful or not?  I&#8217;m confused because the links you posted seem to say saturated fat isn&#8217;t so bad, which is exactly the stance that I hold.  Shoot, yesterday I ate nearly 100g of the stuff, mainly from a can of coconut milk.  My cooking is all done in palm oil, coconut oil, tallow, or lard.  As for Peter&#8217;s discussion of coconut oil, I can&#8217;t argue with him as I haven&#8217;t done any research into coconut oil&#8217;s effects on glucose and insulin.  Considering that I find all of his work to be top-notch, I have no reason to doubt him, but on the other hand, I&#8217;m also not trying to lose weight.</p>
<p>Cheers all<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Varangy</title>
		<link>http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/05/16/what-is-the-proper-portion-size-for-paleo-eating/#comment-12245</link>
		<dc:creator>Varangy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 22:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott

Great blog.  

I noticed you commented on Mark Sisson's blog.  You may want to re-think your stance on saturated fat.  In sum, I don't think it is deleterious to one's health, in fact, it may be beneficial.

A few links for you to take a gander at:

Saturated Fat:

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/search/label/Arteriosclerosis%20and%20saturated%20fat

On coconut oil:

"Coconut oil is interesting. It has a reputation for assisting weight loss, but if gavaged in to the stomach of a chow fed lab rat it will decrease blood glucose and increase blood insulin levels. You don't want to increase your insulin levels if you want to loose weight. There are other plus and minus sides to coconut oil, but I'd keep life simple and avoid it."

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2008/05/weight-loss-when-its-hard.html

Would love to get your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott</p>
<p>Great blog.  </p>
<p>I noticed you commented on Mark Sisson&#8217;s blog.  You may want to re-think your stance on saturated fat.  In sum, I don&#8217;t think it is deleterious to one&#8217;s health, in fact, it may be beneficial.</p>
<p>A few links for you to take a gander at:</p>
<p>Saturated Fat:</p>
<p><a href="http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/search/label/Arteriosclerosis%20and%20saturated%20fat">http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/search/label/Arteriosclerosis%20and%20saturated%20fat</a></p>
<p>On coconut oil:</p>
<p>&#8220;Coconut oil is interesting. It has a reputation for assisting weight loss, but if gavaged in to the stomach of a chow fed lab rat it will decrease blood glucose and increase blood insulin levels. You don&#8217;t want to increase your insulin levels if you want to loose weight. There are other plus and minus sides to coconut oil, but I&#8217;d keep life simple and avoid it.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2008/05/weight-loss-when-its-hard.html">http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2008/05/weight-loss-when-its-hard.html</a></p>
<p>Would love to get your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: logrythmic</title>
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		<dc:creator>logrythmic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no portion size.  

Early humans had chaotic energy intake and expenditure.  I eat power law: no typical meal, though most are what would be thought of as small, with a few medium and even fewer large meals.  Once in a while, I eat nearly nothing for three or four days and then eat like a king for a week.  Early man didn't get to decide how much to eat, and we shouldn't either.  If you "need" to eat tubers and lots of fruit your insulin is high.  If you absolutely must, eat extra protein for a gentler blood sugar boost.

Better yet, work out hard and hungry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no portion size.  </p>
<p>Early humans had chaotic energy intake and expenditure.  I eat power law: no typical meal, though most are what would be thought of as small, with a few medium and even fewer large meals.  Once in a while, I eat nearly nothing for three or four days and then eat like a king for a week.  Early man didn&#8217;t get to decide how much to eat, and we shouldn&#8217;t either.  If you &#8220;need&#8221; to eat tubers and lots of fruit your insulin is high.  If you absolutely must, eat extra protein for a gentler blood sugar boost.</p>
<p>Better yet, work out hard and hungry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott;

You are writing some serious good shit.  This article needs to be posted over on the CF boards, as those Goobers just can't figure it out.  That Block crap is enough to drive the most sane persons (that would be you, me and your readers) crazy.

I might cross post this next week on my lame ass blog, but please consider posting over on the "please critique my diet" boards.

Your buddy.

Jay C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott;</p>
<p>You are writing some serious good shit.  This article needs to be posted over on the CF boards, as those Goobers just can&#8217;t figure it out.  That Block crap is enough to drive the most sane persons (that would be you, me and your readers) crazy.</p>
<p>I might cross post this next week on my lame ass blog, but please consider posting over on the &#8220;please critique my diet&#8221; boards.</p>
<p>Your buddy.</p>
<p>Jay C</p>
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